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	==History==		==History==
	*In [[0.31]], this background and the [[Poison Magic]] school were removed. The new [[Alchemist]] background inherited all Venom ~~Mages~~' starting spells and got a reworked version of [[Sticky Flame]].		*In [[0.31]], this background and the [[Poison Magic]] school were removed. The new [[Alchemist]] background inherited all Venom Mage's starting spells and got a reworked version of [[Sticky Flame]].
	*In [[0.29]], most backgrounds were buffed; all Mage backgrounds gained a [[potion of magic]].		*In [[0.29]], most backgrounds were buffed; all Mage backgrounds gained a [[potion of magic]].
	*Prior to [[0.27]], Venom Mages started with the [[Young Poisoner's Handbook]], and had [[Ignite Poison]].		*Prior to [[0.27]], Venom Mages started with the [[Young Poisoner's Handbook]], and had [[Ignite Poison]].

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	==History==		==History==
	*In [[0.31]], ~~Venom Mages~~ were removed. ~~They were replaced by~~ [[Alchemist]]s.		*In [[0.31]], this background and the [[Poison Magic]] school were removed. The new [[Alchemist]] background inherited all Venom Mages' starting spells and got a reworked version of [[Sticky Flame]].
	*In [[0.29]], most backgrounds were buffed; all Mage backgrounds gained a [[potion of magic]].		*In [[0.29]], most backgrounds were buffed; all Mage backgrounds gained a [[potion of magic]].
	*Prior to [[0.27]], Venom Mages started with the [[Young Poisoner's Handbook]], and had [[Ignite Poison]].		*Prior to [[0.27]], Venom Mages started with the [[Young Poisoner's Handbook]], and had [[Ignite Poison]].

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	{{flavour\|Venom Mages specialise in poison magic, which is extremely useful in the shallower levels of the Dungeon where few creatures are immune to it.}}		{{flavour\|Venom Mages specialise in poison magic, which is extremely useful in the shallower levels of the Dungeon where few creatures are immune to it.}}
	'''Venom Mage''' are spellcasters who specialize in [[Poison Magic]]. Their toxic spells are effective against [[list of arthropods\|insects and spiders]], but they are more than capable of exterminating warm-blooded creatures, too. However, they will probably have to branch out into other schools once they start facing more [[demon]]ic creatures and undead.		'''Venom Mage''' are spellcasters who specialize in [[Poison Magic]]. Their toxic spells are effective against [[list of arthropods\|insects and spiders]], but they are more than capable of exterminating warm-blooded creatures, too. However, they will probably have to branch out into other schools once they start facing more [[demon]]ic creatures and undead.
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	==History==		==History==
			*In [[0.31]], Venom Mages were removed. They were replaced by [[Alchemist]]s.
	*In [[0.29]], most backgrounds were buffed; all Mage backgrounds gained a [[potion of magic]].		*In [[0.29]], most backgrounds were buffed; all Mage backgrounds gained a [[potion of magic]].
	*Prior to [[0.27]], Venom Mages started with the [[Young Poisoner's Handbook]], and had [[Ignite Poison]].		*Prior to [[0.27]], Venom Mages started with the [[Young Poisoner's Handbook]], and had [[Ignite Poison]].

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	**Early [[brand]]ed or [[artefact]] weapons can be a boon to most characters - even more so for Venom Mages.		**Early [[brand]]ed or [[artefact]] weapons can be a boon to most characters - even more so for Venom Mages.
	**Later on, poison resistance becomes more and more common. Either [[Sif Muna]] or [[Vehumet]] will help with your magic -- both your current spells and your future endeavors.		**Later on, poison resistance becomes more and more common. Either [[Sif Muna]] or [[Vehumet]] will help with your magic -- both your current spells and your future endeavors.
	*Note that Poison Magic is not ''useless'' in the mid- and late- game. Once you get <some other way of dealing damage>, poison is a great side option. For example, OTR can be used as as an MP-efficient option for crowd-control. Mephitic Cloud still has a good chance to confuse enemies in [[Vaults]] and [[Elven Halls\|Elf]].		*Note that Poison Magic is not ''useless'' in the mid- and late- game. Once you get some other way of dealing damage, poison is a great side option. For example, OTR can be used as an MP-efficient option for crowd-control. Mephitic Cloud still has a good chance to confuse enemies in [[Vaults]] and [[Elven Halls\|Elf]].
	*For an ordinary, [[robe]]d caster, OTR only requires around 6-8 skill in Poison Magic to be reliably cast -- even with low Int. You can consider other options as soon as you hit that threshold (or well before).		*For an ordinary, [[robe]]d caster, OTR only requires around 6-8 skill in Poison Magic to be reliably cast -- even with low Int. You can consider other options as soon as you hit that threshold (or well before).

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	==Strategy==		==Strategy==
	Poison Magic itself is a strong starting school. Many ~~types~~ of ~~damage~~ ignore both [[AC]] and [[EV]]. [[Mephitic Cloud]] inflicts confusion (and has multiple chances to do so), allowing you to disable dangerous monsters.		Poison Magic itself is a strong starting school. Many of your poison spells ignore both [[AC]] and [[EV]]. [[Mephitic Cloud]] inflicts confusion (and has multiple chances to do so), allowing you to disable dangerous monsters.

	Unfortunately, monsters with poison resistance/immunity are very common. Even in the early game, you'll find [[ice beast]]s, [[jellies]], and [[wight]]s. Therefore, Venom Mages will need some other way to deal damage. What exactly you should use will depend on what items you find, as well as your background. Because you cannot rely solely on Poison Magic past the early game, Venom Mage can be unintuitive for new players.		Unfortunately, monsters with poison resistance/immunity are very common. Even in the early game, you'll find resistant enemies like [[ice beast]]s, [[jellies]], and [[wight]]s. Therefore, Venom Mages will need some other way to deal damage. What exactly you should use will depend on what items you find, as well as your background. Because you cannot rely solely on Poison Magic past the early game, Venom Mage can be unintuitive for new players.

	Fast species like [[Spriggan]]s are good with keep-away tactics that make poison effective. Physically gifted [[species]] also benefit from this background. Even the dopiest character can manage to scrape enough [[experience]] together to get [[Poisonous Vapours]] and [[Mephitic Cloud]] functioning well, and those two spells can make a huge difference for an otherwise melee-based thug.		Fast species like [[Spriggan]]s are good with keep-away tactics that make poison effective. Physically gifted [[species]] also benefit from this background. Even the dopiest character can manage to scrape enough [[experience]] together to get [[Poisonous Vapours]] and [[Mephitic Cloud]] functioning well, and those two spells can make a huge difference for an otherwise melee-based thug.

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	==Strategy==		==Strategy==
	Poison Magic itself is a strong starting school. Many types of damage ignore both [[AC}] and [[EV]]. [[Mephitic Cloud]] inflicts confusion (and has multiple chances to do so), allowing you to disable dangerous monsters.		Poison Magic itself is a strong starting school. Many types of damage ignore both [[AC]] and [[EV]]. [[Mephitic Cloud]] inflicts confusion (and has multiple chances to do so), allowing you to disable dangerous monsters.

	Unfortunately, monsters with poison resistance/immunity are very common. Even in the early game, you'll find [[ice beast]]s, [[jellies]], and [[wight]]s. Therefore, Venom Mages will need some other way to deal damage. What exactly you should use will depend on what items you find, as well as your background. Because you cannot rely solely on Poison Magic past the early game, Venom Mage can be unintuitive for new players.		Unfortunately, monsters with poison resistance/immunity are very common. Even in the early game, you'll find [[ice beast]]s, [[jellies]], and [[wight]]s. Therefore, Venom Mages will need some other way to deal damage. What exactly you should use will depend on what items you find, as well as your background. Because you cannot rely solely on Poison Magic past the early game, Venom Mage can be unintuitive for new players.

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	===Tips & Tricks===		===Tips & Tricks===
	*Other than the weak [[Sting]], your starting spells are useless against monsters with poison resistance. Poison resistance is common; early threats include [[undead]] such as [[wight]]s and [[sleepcap]]s, [[ice beast]]s, and [[water moccasin]]s. Several enemies in [[Lair]] have resistance, namely [[hydra]]s, [[black mamba]]s and [[cane toad]]s. Therefore, you'll ~~want~~ some		*Other than the weak [[Sting]], your starting spells are useless against monsters with poison resistance. Poison resistance is common; early threats include [[undead]] such as [[wight]]s and [[sleepcap]]s, [[ice beast]]s, and [[water moccasin]]s. Several enemies in [[Lair]] have resistance, namely [[hydra]]s, [[black mamba]]s and [[cane toad]]s. Therefore, you'll need to find some other way of dealing damage.
	**As mentioned above, Ignite Poison can turn Mephitic Cloud into flame clouds. However, you are by no means guaranteed to find this spell. Even if you do find this spell, you can't rely on it forever.		**As mentioned above, Ignite Poison can turn Mephitic Cloud into flame clouds. However, you are by no means guaranteed to find this spell. Even if you do find this spell, you can't rely on it forever.
	**Early [[brand]]ed or [[artefact]] weapons can be a boon to most characters - even more so for Venom Mages.		**Early [[brand]]ed or [[artefact]] weapons can be a boon to most characters - even more so for Venom Mages.
	**Later on, poison resistance becomes more and more common. Either [[Sif Muna]] or [[Vehumet]] will help with your magic -- both your current spells and your future endeavors.		**Later on, poison resistance becomes more and more common. Either [[Sif Muna]] or [[Vehumet]] will help with your magic -- both your current spells and your future endeavors.
	*Note that Poison Magic is not ''useless'' in the mid- and late- game. Once you get <~~another means~~ of dealing damage>, poison is a great side option. For example, OTR can be used as as an MP-efficient option for crowd-control. Mephitic Cloud still has a good chance to confuse enemies in [[Vaults]] and [[Elven Halls\|Elf]].		*Note that Poison Magic is not ''useless'' in the mid- and late- game. Once you get <some other way of dealing damage>, poison is a great side option. For example, OTR can be used as as an MP-efficient option for crowd-control. Mephitic Cloud still has a good chance to confuse enemies in [[Vaults]] and [[Elven Halls\|Elf]].
	*For an ordinary, [[robe]]d caster, OTR only requires around 6-8 skill in Poison Magic to be reliably cast -- even with low Int. You can consider other options as soon as you hit that threshold (or well before).		*For an ordinary, [[robe]]d caster, OTR only requires around 6-8 skill in Poison Magic to be reliably cast -- even with low Int. You can consider other options as soon as you hit that threshold (or well before).

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	==Strategy==		==Strategy==
	~~Representative of~~ Poison Magic as a ~~whole, Venom Mages are great early on, weak later~~. ~~Venom Mages suffer massively from limited ability to deal with enemies which are~~ [[~~poison resistance\|resistant or immune to poison~~]]. ~~However~~, poison ~~is great against~~ [[~~:Category:Poison_vulnerability\|vulnerable targets~~]]~~; it has a low MP cost~~, ~~and ignores both~~ [[AC]] and [[EV]].		Poison Magic itself is a strong starting school. Many types of damage ignore both [[AC}] and [[EV]]. [[Mephitic Cloud]] inflicts confusion (and has multiple chances to do so), allowing you to disable dangerous monsters.

			Unfortunately, monsters with poison resistance/immunity are very common. Even in the early game, you'll find [[ice beast]]s, [[jellies]], and [[wight]]s. Therefore, Venom Mages will need some other way to deal damage. What exactly you should use will depend on what items you find, as well as your background. Because you cannot rely solely on Poison Magic past the early game, Venom Mage can be unintuitive for new players.

	Fast species like [[Spriggan]]s are good with keep-away tactics that make poison effective. Physically gifted [[species]] also benefit from this background. Even the dopiest character can manage to scrape enough [[experience]] together to get [[Poisonous Vapours]] and [[Mephitic Cloud]] functioning well, and those two spells can make a huge difference for an otherwise melee-based thug.		Fast species like [[Spriggan]]s are good with keep-away tactics that make poison effective. Physically gifted [[species]] also benefit from this background. Even the dopiest character can manage to scrape enough [[experience]] together to get [[Poisonous Vapours]] and [[Mephitic Cloud]] functioning well, and those two spells can make a huge difference for an otherwise melee-based thug.
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	===Tips & Tricks===		===Tips & Tricks===
	*~~Poison resistant monsters exist throughout~~ the ~~early Dungeon~~, ~~so venom mages quickly need another way of killing things~~. ~~Early~~ threats include [[undead]] such as [[wight]]s and [[sleepcap]]s, [[ice beast]]s, and [[water moccasin]]s. Several enemies in [[Lair]] have resistance, namely [[hydra]]s, [[black mamba]]s and [[cane toad]]s.		*Other than the weak [[Sting]], your starting spells are useless against monsters with poison resistance. Poison resistance is common; early threats include [[undead]] such as [[wight]]s and [[sleepcap]]s, [[ice beast]]s, and [[water moccasin]]s. Several enemies in [[Lair]] have resistance, namely [[hydra]]s, [[black mamba]]s and [[cane toad]]s. Therefore, you'll want some
	** ~~[[Ignite Poison]], as~~ mentioned above, can turn ~~poison clouds~~ into flame clouds. However, you are by no means guaranteed to find this spell. Even ~~then~~, you'~~ll need another way to kill poison-resistant enemies ''eventually''~~.		**As mentioned above, Ignite Poison can turn Mephitic Cloud into flame clouds. However, you are by no means guaranteed to find this spell. Even if you do find this spell, you can't rely on it forever.
	** Early [[brand]]ed or [[artefact]] weapons can be a boon to most characters - ~~and~~ even more so for Venom Mages.		**Early [[brand]]ed or [[artefact]] weapons can be a boon to most characters - even more so for Venom Mages.
	* Later on, poison resistance becomes more and more common. Either [[Sif Muna]] or [[Vehumet]] will help with your magic -- both your current spells and your future endeavors.		**Later on, poison resistance becomes more and more common. Either [[Sif Muna]] or [[Vehumet]] will help with your magic -- both your current spells and your future endeavors.
			*Note that Poison Magic is not ''useless'' in the mid- and late- game. Once you get <another means of dealing damage>, poison is a great side option. For example, OTR can be used as as an MP-efficient option for crowd-control. Mephitic Cloud still has a good chance to confuse enemies in [[Vaults]] and [[Elven Halls\|Elf]].
	*For an ordinary, [[robe]]d caster, OTR only requires around 6-8 skill in Poison Magic to be reliably cast -- even with low Int. You can consider other options as soon as you hit that threshold (or well before).		*For an ordinary, [[robe]]d caster, OTR only requires around 6-8 skill in Poison Magic to be reliably cast -- even with low Int. You can consider other options as soon as you hit that threshold (or well before).