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The Skill Screen

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The Skill Screen

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The Skill Screen

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	*Deselected (dark grey name; - next to the skill): Skill will gain no XP, even if used constantly.		*Deselected (dark grey name; - next to the skill): Skill will gain no XP, even if used constantly.

	''Manual mode:''' You select which skills to train directly, and XP is split between all selected skills evenly, unless a skill is focused.		'''Manual mode:''' You select which skills to train directly, and XP is split between all selected skills evenly, unless a skill is focused.
	*Normal: Regular training.		*Normal: Regular training.
	*Focused: Skill will gain twice the share of XP.		*Focused: Skill will gain twice the share of XP.

Hordes: /* The Skill Screen */

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The Skill Screen

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	Pressing '''m''' will bring up the skill screen, which displays current skill levels and your species' skill [[aptitude]]s. It also allows you to change which skills you'll train and how much.		Pressing '''m''' will bring up the skill screen, which displays current skill levels and your species' skill [[aptitude]]s. It also allows you to change which skills you'll train and how much.

	Skill XP is split between trained skills; the more XP you invest into one skill, the less XP you'll have in the others. You can select which skills to train by either clicking on its name, or pressing the key associated to it. The exact split will depend on the training mode. There are two ~~mode~~: automatic and manual. You can swap between modes with the '''/''' key.		Skill XP is split between trained skills; the more XP you invest into one skill, the less XP you'll have in the others. You can select which skills to train by either clicking on its name, or pressing the key associated to it. The exact split will depend on the training mode. There are two modes: automatic and manual. You can swap between modes with the '''/''' key.

	~~In automatic~~ mode~~, skills~~ that are used more in game will gain a greater share of the XP. Selecting the skill will cycle through three modes:		'''Automatic mode:''' Skills that are used more in game will gain a greater share of the XP. Selecting the skill will cycle through three modes:
	*Normal (grey name; + next to the skill): Regular training.		*Normal (grey name; + next to the skill): Regular training.
	Focused (white name; next to the skill): Selected skill will gain more XP, even if never used.		Focused (white name; next to the skill): Selected skill will gain more XP, even if never used.
	*Deselected (dark grey name; - next to the skill): Skill will gain no XP, even if used constantly.		*Deselected (dark grey name; - next to the skill): Skill will gain no XP, even if used constantly.

	~~In manual~~ mode~~, you~~ select which skills to train directly. XP is split between all selected skills evenly, unless a skill is focused.		''Manual mode:''' You select which skills to train directly, and XP is split between all selected skills evenly, unless a skill is focused.
	*Normal: Regular training.		*Normal: Regular training.
	*Focused: Skill will gain twice the share of XP.		*Focused: Skill will gain twice the share of XP.

Hordes: /* Skill Micromanagement */

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Skill Micromanagement

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	In theory, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate. For example, one may set skill targets so they'd train Fighting 0 -> 1, then Armour 0 -> 1, then Fighting 1 - > 2, and so on.		In theory, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate. For example, one may set skill targets so they'd train Fighting 0 -> 1, then Armour 0 -> 1, then Fighting 1 - > 2, and so on.

	The main reason for this is that the cost of a skill only increases for every whole level of a skill, which can create a breakpoint. In the example above, Fighting 0 -> 1 could be more cost-effective than Armour 0 -> 1, but Fighting 1 -> 2 is less effective than Armour 0 -> 1. Note that it is often impractical to do this - not only due to the amount of time/effort required, but because it's not trivial to gauge the impact of a skill.		The main reason for this is that the cost of a skill only increases for every whole level of a skill, which can create a breakpoint. In the example above, Fighting 0 -> 1 could be more cost-effective than Armour 0 -> 1, but Fighting 1 -> 2 is less effective than Armour 0 -> 1. Note that it is often impractical to do this - not only due to the amount of time/effort required, but because it's not trivial to gauge the impact of a skill level.

	~~However~~, many skills have at least one breakpoint, which can make single-skill training worthwhile:		In addition, many skills have at least one breakpoint, which can make single-skill training worthwhile:
	*Weapon Skills: Weapons have a [[minimum delay]] - past minimum delay, training the skill is less effective, as it no longer increases your attack speed. In addition, reaching 1.0 attack delay (after [[shield]], if applicable) can be considered a breakpoint, as it prevents 100% speed enemies from double-striking you.		*Weapon Skills: Weapons have a [[minimum delay]] - past minimum delay, training the skill is less effective, as it no longer increases your attack speed. In addition, reaching 1.0 attack delay (after [[shield]], if applicable) can be considered a breakpoint, as it prevents 100% speed enemies from double-striking you.
	*Spell Schools: The skill level where a spell becomes "comfortable" to cast is the single most important level for casters. This comfort point will depend on player and character. E.g., if 10% failure rate is comfortable to you, then getting [[Fireball]] to a 10% failure rate will add an entire new spell to your repertoire.		*Spell Schools: The skill level where a spell becomes "comfortable" to cast is the single most important level for casters. This comfort point will depend on player and character. E.g., if 10% failure rate is comfortable to you, then getting [[Fireball]] to a 10% failure rate will add an entire new spell to your repertoire.

Hordes: /* Skill Micromanagement */

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Skill Micromanagement

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	===Skill Micromanagement===		===Skill Micromanagement===
	~~Technically~~, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate (e.~~g. getting~~ Fighting 0 -> ~~2 while training nothing else~~, then Armour 0 -> ~~2 training nothing else~~, then Fighting 2 -> ~~3...)~~.		In theory, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate. For example, one may set skill targets so they'd train Fighting 0 -> 1, then Armour 0 -> 1, then Fighting 1 - > 2, and so on.

	The main reason for this is that, for every ''whole'' level of a skill, the ~~cost of that skill rises. For instance~~, ~~getting Stealth 2~~ -> ~~3 might~~ be more cost-effective than ~~Fighting~~ 0 -> 1, but ~~going from~~ Fighting 0 -> ~~1 might be more cost-~~effective than ~~Stealth 3~~ -> 4. ~~Theoretically, there can be a singular skill~~ that ~~you want~~ to ~~train at a~~ time, ~~only switching after training~~ a ~~certain amount of whole levels~~.		The main reason for this is that the cost of a skill only increases for every whole level of a skill, which can create a breakpoint. In the example above, Fighting 0 -> 1 could be more cost-effective than Armour 0 -> 1, but Fighting 1 -> 2 is less effective than Armour 0 -> 1. Note that it is often impractical to do this - not only due to the amount of time/effort required, but because it's not trivial to gauge the impact of a skill.

	~~In addition~~, many skills have at least one breakpoint:		However, many skills have at least one breakpoint, which can make single-skill training worthwhile:
	*Weapon Skills: Weapons have a [[minimum delay]] - past minimum delay, training the skill is less effective, as it no longer increases your attack speed. In addition, reaching 1.0 attack delay (after [[shield]], if applicable) can be considered a breakpoint, as it prevents 100% speed enemies from double-striking you.		*Weapon Skills: Weapons have a [[minimum delay]] - past minimum delay, training the skill is less effective, as it no longer increases your attack speed. In addition, reaching 1.0 attack delay (after [[shield]], if applicable) can be considered a breakpoint, as it prevents 100% speed enemies from double-striking you.
	*Spell Schools: The skill level where a spell becomes "comfortable" to cast is the single most important level for casters. This comfort point will depend on player and character. E.g., if 10% failure rate is comfortable to you, then getting [[Fireball]] to a 10% failure rate will add an entire new spell to your repertoire.		*Spell Schools: The skill level where a spell becomes "comfortable" to cast is the single most important level for casters. This comfort point will depend on player and character. E.g., if 10% failure rate is comfortable to you, then getting [[Fireball]] to a 10% failure rate will add an entire new spell to your repertoire.

Hordes: /* Example */

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Example

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	===Example===		===Example===
	Say you want the following skills:		Say you want the following skills:
	*~~Fighting~~ 2 (~~for +4 HP~~)		*Air Magic 2 (to cast Static Discharge)
	*Conjurations (to cast Searing Ray)		*Conjurations 2 (to cast Searing Ray)

	Note that these values are not accurate to the game. Also assume that each floor gives 2 levels of a skill, that levels of skill don't increase in cost, and that you have even aptitudes in each skill.		Note that these values are not accurate to the game. Also assume that each floor gives 2 levels of a skill, that levels of skill don't increase in cost, and that you have even aptitudes in each skill.

	If you trained each skill together, you'd have the following skills:		If you trained each skill together, you'd have the following skills:
	Floor #1 end - ~~Fighting~~ 1 ~~(+2 HP)~~, Conjurations 1		Floor #1 end - Air Magic 1, Conjurations 1
	Floor #2 end - ~~Fighting~~ 2 (~~+4 HP~~), Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable)		Floor #2 end - Air Magic 2 (Static Discharge castable), Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable)

	If you trained each skill one-at-a-time:		If you trained each skill one-at-a-time:
	Floor #1 end - Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable)		Floor #1 end - Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable)
	Floor #2 end - Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable), ~~Fighting Fighting~~ 2 (~~+4 HP~~)		Floor #2 end - Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable), Air Magic 2 (Static Discharge castable)

	The end result is the same, but since you trained exclusively Conjurations on Floor 1 ~~for Searing Ray~~, you get the benefit of having Searing Ray castable a floor earlier.		The end result is the same, but since you trained exclusively Conjurations on Floor 1, you get the benefit of having Searing Ray castable a floor earlier, instead of having "useless" levels in both skills.

	==Experience Required==		==Experience Required==

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Example

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	===Example===		===Example===
	Say you want the following skills:		Say you want the following skills:
	*Fighting 3 (for +6 HP)		*Fighting 2 (for +4 HP)
	*Conjurations 3 (to cast Searing Ray)		*Conjurations (to cast Searing Ray)
	*Dodging 3 (for +1 EV).

	Note that these values are not accurate to the game. ~~Dodging 3 won~~'t ~~always give you +1 EV, for instance~~, and ~~Conjurations 3 usually isn't enough to cast Searing Ray~~.		Note that these values are not accurate to the game. Also assume that each floor gives 2 levels of a skill, that levels of skill don't increase in cost, and that you have even aptitudes in each skill.

	~~For sake of example, assume each floor gives 3 levels of a skill, that levels of skill don't increase in cost, and that you have even aptitudes in each skill.~~		If you trained each skill together, you'd have the following skills:
			Floor #1 end - Fighting 1 (+2 HP), Conjurations 1
	If you trained each skill ~~independently~~, you'd have the following skills:		Floor #2 end - Fighting 2 (+4 HP), Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable)
	Floor #1 end - Fighting 1 (+2 HP), Conjurations ~~1, Dodging~~ 1
	Floor #2 end - Fighting 2 (+4 HP), Conjurations 2~~, Dodging 2~~
	~~Floor #3 end - Fighting 3 (+6 HP), Conjurations 3~~ (Searing Ray castable~~), Dodging 3 (+1 EV~~)

	If you trained each skill one-at-a-time:		If you trained each skill one-at-a-time:
	Floor #1 end - Conjurations 3 (Searing Ray castable)		Floor #1 end - Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable)
	Floor #2 end - Conjurations 3 (Searing Ray castable), ~~Dodging 3 (+1 EV)~~		Floor #2 end - Conjurations 2 (Searing Ray castable), Fighting Fighting 2 (+4 HP)
	~~Floor #3 end -~~ Fighting 3 (+6 HP~~), Conjurations 3 (Searing Ray castable), Dodging 3 (+1 EV~~)

	The end result is the same~~. But by training skills one-at-a-time~~, you get the benefit of having Searing Ray castable ~~2 floors earlier, and the benefit of having +1 EV~~ a ~~single~~ floor earlier.		The end result is the same, but since you trained exclusively Conjurations on Floor 1 for Searing Ray, you get the benefit of having Searing Ray castable a floor earlier.

	==Experience Required==		==Experience Required==

Hordes: /* Skill Micromanagement */

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Skill Micromanagement

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	Technically, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate (e.g. getting Fighting 0 -> 2 while training nothing else, then Armour 0 -> 2 training nothing else, then Fighting 2 -> 3...).		Technically, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate (e.g. getting Fighting 0 -> 2 while training nothing else, then Armour 0 -> 2 training nothing else, then Fighting 2 -> 3...).

	The main reason for this is that, for every ''whole'' level of a skill, the cost of that skill rises. For instance, getting Stealth 2 -> 3 might be more cost-effective than Fighting 0 -> 1, but going from Fighting 0 -> 1 might be more cost-effective than Stealth 3 -> 4. ~~Often~~ there is a singular ~~most cost-effective~~ skill at a time,		The main reason for this is that, for every ''whole'' level of a skill, the cost of that skill rises. For instance, getting Stealth 2 -> 3 might be more cost-effective than Fighting 0 -> 1, but going from Fighting 0 -> 1 might be more cost-effective than Stealth 3 -> 4. Theoretically, there can be a singular skill that you want to train at a time, only switching after training a certain amount of whole levels.

	In addition, many skills have at least one breakpoint:		In addition, many skills have at least one breakpoint:

Hordes: /* Skill Micromanagement */

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Skill Micromanagement

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	===Skill Micromanagement===		===Skill Micromanagement===
	Technically, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate (e.g. getting Fighting 0 -> 2 while training nothing else, then Armour 0 -> 2 training nothing else, then Fighting 2 -> 3...). ~~This~~ is ~~because each~~ skill ~~has~~ at least one breakpoint:		Technically, it is best to train only 1 skill at any given time, switching constantly as appropriate (e.g. getting Fighting 0 -> 2 while training nothing else, then Armour 0 -> 2 training nothing else, then Fighting 2 -> 3...).

			The main reason for this is that, for every ''whole'' level of a skill, the cost of that skill rises. For instance, getting Stealth 2 -> 3 might be more cost-effective than Fighting 0 -> 1, but going from Fighting 0 -> 1 might be more cost-effective than Stealth 3 -> 4. Often there is a singular most cost-effective skill at a time,

			In addition, many skills have at least one breakpoint:
	*Weapon Skills: Weapons have a [[minimum delay]] - past minimum delay, training the skill is less effective, as it no longer increases your attack speed. In addition, reaching 1.0 attack delay (after [[shield]], if applicable) can be considered a breakpoint, as it prevents 100% speed enemies from double-striking you.		*Weapon Skills: Weapons have a [[minimum delay]] - past minimum delay, training the skill is less effective, as it no longer increases your attack speed. In addition, reaching 1.0 attack delay (after [[shield]], if applicable) can be considered a breakpoint, as it prevents 100% speed enemies from double-striking you.
	*Spell Schools: The skill level where a spell becomes "comfortable" to cast is the single most important level for casters. ~~For example~~, if a 10% failure rate is comfortable to you, then getting [[Fireball]] to a 10% failure rate will add an entire new spell to your repertoire~~. This comfort point will depend on player and character~~.		*Spell Schools: The skill level where a spell becomes "comfortable" to cast is the single most important level for casters. This comfort point will depend on player and character. E.g., if 10% failure rate is comfortable to you, then getting [[Fireball]] to a 10% failure rate will add an entire new spell to your repertoire.
	*Fighting, Spellcasting, Invocations: You can't have fractional HP, MP or spell levels. For example, you gain 1 MP for each 1.0 Spellcasting or each 2.0 Invocations (whichever gives more MP).		*Fighting, Spellcasting, Invocations: You can't have fractional HP, MP or spell levels. For example, you gain 1 MP for each 1.0 Spellcasting or each 2.0 Invocations (whichever gives more MP).
	*Shapeshifting: Talismans have a defined minimum and maximum skill. Below the minimum skill you have reduced HP in that form, and no further benefits are gained above maximum skill.		*Shapeshifting: Talismans have a defined minimum and maximum skill. Below the minimum skill you have reduced HP in that form, and no further benefits are gained above maximum skill.
	*All skills: For every ''whole'' level of a skill, the cost of that skill rises, e.g Stealth 2 -> 3 is cheaper than Stealth 3 -> 4. So getting Stealth 2 -> 3 might be more cost-effective than Fighting 0 -> 1, but that same Fighting training might be more cost-effective than Stealth 3 -> 4.

	That being said, managing your skills like this has a relatively minor effect on gameplay. It is more productive to ~~learn~~ combat ~~tactics and~~ when to use consumables. Even if you do care, by the time you reach the late-game, precise skill training basically doesn't matter.		That being said, (micro)managing your skills like this has a relatively minor effect on gameplay. It is more productive to focus your time and energy on combat, when to use consumables, etc.. Even if you do care, by the time you reach the late-game, precise skill training basically doesn't matter.

	===Example===		===Example===