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	===Compared to rapiers===		===Compared to rapiers===
	If a quick blade is highly enchanted and has a good flat damage brand, it will outdamage an equivalent rapier.		If a quick blade is highly enchanted and has a good flat damage brand (that the enemy doesn't resist), it will outdamage an equivalent rapier.

	Using [[wizard mode]] fightsim tests: against an [[orb of fire]], with 25 [[Fighting]] and 30 DEX, a +9 quick blade of distortion will outdamage a +9 rapier of distortion at 0 or more Short Blades skill; this does not consider the 5% banish chance. When fighting lower AC opponents, or with higher Short Blades skill, lower Fighting, and/or lower DEX, quick blades become relatively better.		Using [[wizard mode]] fightsim tests: against an [[orb of fire]], with 25 [[Fighting]] and 30 DEX, a +9 quick blade of distortion will outdamage a +9 rapier of distortion at 0 or more Short Blades skill; this does not consider the 5% banish chance. When fighting lower AC opponents, or with higher Short Blades skill, lower Fighting, and/or lower DEX, quick blades become relatively better.

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	At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. This is because, if every hit deals +1 damage, hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.		At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. This is because, if every hit deals +1 damage, hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.

	A major downside is ~~that it takes a~~ massive amount of skill to reach mindelay ~~(20 skill~~, even ~~higher~~ than [[broad axe]]s!)~~. At 14 skill or lower~~, [[rapier]]~~s are most likely stronger~~, ~~as a rapier will have better base damage yet be only 0~~.~~1 delay slower than~~ a quick blade~~. Also, they are rare weapons~~.		A major downside of quickblades is the massive amount of skill required to reach mindelay, even more than [[broad axe]]s. However, a +9 quick blade with a good flat damage brand - namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]] - will outdamage an equivalent [[rapier]] at moderate levels of skill, even against high AC foes like [[orbs of fire]]. Therefore, reaching mindelay is not close to required when using a quick blade.

	Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand ~~(namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]])~~ is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better with more skill.		Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better with more skill.

			===Compared to rapiers===
			If a quick blade is highly enchanted and has a good flat damage brand, it will outdamage an equivalent rapier.

			Using [[wizard mode]] fightsim tests: against an [[orb of fire]], with 25 [[Fighting]] and 30 DEX, a +9 quick blade of distortion will outdamage a +9 rapier of distortion at 0 or more Short Blades skill; this does not consider the 5% banish chance. When fighting lower AC opponents, or with higher Short Blades skill, lower Fighting, and/or lower DEX, quick blades become relatively better.

			At low/moderate enchantment levels and with brands worse than distortion, the calculation can change, although the quick blade remains competitive or better at moderate skill.

	===Compared to daggers===		===Compared to daggers===

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	{{crawlquote\|This weapon falls into the '[[Short Blades]]' category. It is a one handed weapon.}}		{{crawlquote\|This weapon falls into the '[[Short Blades]]' category. It is a one handed weapon.}}

	'''Quick blades''' are extremely rapid weapons ~~at high skill~~. ~~Whenever you swing~~ with a quick blade, ~~you get~~ two attacks. This is treated as if you attacked twice with any other weapon, so factors like [[brand]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, and [[AC]] can activate twice.		'''Quick blades''', when used by a skilled user, are extremely rapid weapons. When swinging with a quick blade, two attacks are made. This is treated as if you attacked twice with any other weapon, so factors like [[brand]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, and [[AC]] can activate twice.

	==Sources==		==Sources==
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	==Strategy==		==Strategy==
	At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. If every hit ~~gets~~ 1 damage, ~~then~~ hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.		At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. This is because, if every hit deals +1 damage, hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.

	~~In addition,~~ it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad axe]]s!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are most likely stronger, as a rapier will have better base damage yet be only 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade.		A major downside is that it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad axe]]s!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are most likely stronger, as a rapier will have better base damage yet be only 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade. Also, they are rare weapons.

	Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better ~~from there~~.		Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better with more skill.

	===Compared to daggers===		===Compared to daggers===

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	At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. If every hit gets 1 damage, then hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.		At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. If every hit gets 1 damage, then hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.

	~~Also~~, it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad axe]]s!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are stronger, as a rapier will only be 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade ~~would~~.		In addition, it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad axe]]s!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are most likely stronger, as a rapier will have better base damage yet be only 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade.

	Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better from there.		Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better from there.

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	==History==		==History==
	*Prior to [[0.34]], quick blades had a base delay of 12 ~~and~~ mindelay of 0.5 (reached at only 14 skill).		*Prior to [[0.34]], quick blades had a base delay of 12 with the same mindelay of 0.5 (reached at only 14 skill).
	*Prior to [[0.31]], quick blades only made 1 attack per swing, but had a base delay of 0.7 decaAut and mindelay of 0.3 decaAut.		*Prior to [[0.31]], quick blades only made 1 attack per swing, but had a base delay of 0.7 decaAut and mindelay of 0.3 decaAut.
	*Prior to [[0.30]], quick blades could not naturally generate with [[brand]]s.		*Prior to [[0.30]], quick blades could not naturally generate with [[brand]]s.

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	At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. If every hit gets 1 damage, then hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.		At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. If every hit gets 1 damage, then hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.

	Also, it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad ~~axes~~]]!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are stronger, as a rapier will only be 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade would.		Also, it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad axe]]s!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are stronger, as a rapier will only be 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade would.

	Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. In the early game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better from ~~here~~.		Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. If you happen to obtain a quickblade in the early-/mid- game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better from there.

	===Compared to daggers===		===Compared to daggers===

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	{{crawlquote\|This weapon falls into the '[[Short Blades]]' category. It is a one handed weapon.}}		{{crawlquote\|This weapon falls into the '[[Short Blades]]' category. It is a one handed weapon.}}

	'''Quick blades''' are extremely rapid weapons. Whenever you swing with a quick blade, you get two attacks. This is treated as if you attacked twice with any other weapon, so factors like [[brand]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, and [[AC]] can activate twice.		'''Quick blades''' are extremely rapid weapons at high skill. Whenever you swing with a quick blade, you get two attacks. This is treated as if you attacked twice with any other weapon, so factors like [[brand]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, and [[AC]] can activate twice.

	==Sources==		==Sources==

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	\|skill = Short Blades		\|skill = Short Blades
	\|accuracy = +6		\|accuracy = +6
	\|basedelay = 12 (~~120~~%)		\|basedelay = 15 (150%)
	\|mindelay = 5 at skill 14		\|mindelay = 5 at skill 20
	\|damtype = Stabbing		\|damtype = Stabbing
	\|hands = 1H		\|hands = 1H
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	==Strategy==		==Strategy==
	~~Essentially~~, quick blades ~~are~~ [[rapier]]s that swing twice ~~with~~ more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment, [[slay]]~~ing~~, [[auxiliary attack]]s, ~~and~~ [[stab]]bing~~; if~~ every hit gets +1 damage, then hitting twice as ~~much means you get~~ twice the ~~benefit~~. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] ~~has~~ a ~~greater effect~~. ~~Therefore~~, ~~you should use~~ a quick blade ~~if you have many flat damage bonuses~~. ~~With~~ a ~~good~~ flat damage [[brand]] (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]), ~~quick blades are quite powerful; a~~ quick blade of distortion can take you through [[Zot]].		At minimum delay, quick blades become [[rapier]]s that swing twice for more than half the base damage. They benefit greatly from flat damage effects, such as [[enchant]]ment/[[slay]], [[auxiliary attack]]s, [[stab]]bing, and flat damage [[brand]]s. If every hit gets 1 damage, then hitting twice as fast results in twice the bonus. Conversely, enemy [[AC]] matters more.

			Also, it takes a massive amount of skill to reach mindelay (20 skill, even higher than [[broad axes]]!). At 14 skill or lower, [[rapier]]s are stronger, as a rapier will only be 0.1 delay slower than a quick blade would.

			Overall, a quickblade with a flat damage brand (namely [[electrocution]], [[pain (brand)\|pain]], [[distortion]], and [[chaos]]) is a powerful weapon on its own right, able to take on enemies without needing to stab. A quick blade of distortion or chaos can take you through [[Zot]]. In the early game, [[venom]] and [[draining]] are also reasonable, tying with a [[dagger]] of those brands at 6 skill and only getting better from here.

			===Compared to daggers===
			Quick blade are generally better than daggers at stabbing. A quick blade at mindelay will make twice as many swings, resulting in twice as many stabs (except [[sleep]] stabs, as the enemy will wake up). Since the dagger stab boost is always less than double that of a quick blade, a quick blade is almost strictly superior to a dagger.

	For [[stabbing]] purposes, quick blades are better than [[dagger]]s for everything except [[sleep]] stabs, assuming you've reached mindelay with both weapons. While daggers may get bonus damage, quick blades make twice as many stabs. Since the dagger bonus is ''always'' less than twice the damage, quick blades are just better. Sleeping enemies are the sole exception: since sleeping enemies wake up after the first stab, the stronger first hit off a dagger is better.

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	==History==		==History==
			*Prior to [[0.34]], quick blades had a base delay of 12 and mindelay of 0.5 (reached at only 14 skill).
	*Prior to [[0.31]], quick blades only made 1 attack per swing, but had a base delay of 0.7 decaAut and mindelay of 0.3 decaAut.		*Prior to [[0.31]], quick blades only made 1 attack per swing, but had a base delay of 0.7 decaAut and mindelay of 0.3 decaAut.
	*Prior to [[0.30]], quick blades could not naturally generate with [[brand]]s.		*Prior to [[0.30]], quick blades could not naturally generate with [[brand]]s.