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	Characters in the midgame will have found a [[god]], but have not entered the two [[rune]]-containing [[Lair]] branches yet. From now on, your skills no longer reflect your background, but rather reflect your general strategy, species, and god choice.		Characters in the midgame will have found a [[god]], but have not entered the two [[rune]]-containing [[Lair]] branches yet. From now on, your skills no longer reflect your background, but rather reflect your general strategy, species, and god choice.

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	===Weapon===		===Weapon===
	Your weapon school should still be, by far, your most important skill. As stated in the early-game section, your goal is to reach minimum delay for your [[weapon]]. Viewable by selecting the weapon in the '''i'''nventory, the minimum delay is 0.5 to 0.7 ~~auts~~, taking ~~between 8~~ to 24 levels. Raising your weapon skill beyond mindelay will still raise damage and accuracy, though it will no longer ~~increases~~ swing speed. Its unlikely for you to reach it in a timely manner for especially big weapons, such as giant ~~clubs~~ or triple ~~swords~~, but you should keep training.		Your weapon school should still be, by far, your most important skill. As stated in the early-game section, your goal is to reach minimum delay for your [[weapon]]. Viewable by selecting the weapon in the '''i'''nventory, the minimum delay is 0.5 to 0.7 [[decaAut]], taking anywhere from 10 to 24 levels. Raising your weapon skill beyond mindelay will still raise damage and accuracy, though it will no longer increase swing speed. Its unlikely for you to reach it in a timely manner for especially big weapons, such as [[giant club]]s or [[triple sword]]s, but you should keep training.

	Warriors need to make a choice: how many hands will you dedicate? Two-handed weapons deal more damage... but take more investment and restrict your shield slot. Of course, you still need a reasonable delay to even consider a two-hander (or a big shield).		Warriors need to make a choice: how many hands will you dedicate? Two-handed weapons deal more damage... but take more investment and restrict your shield slot. Of course, you still need a reasonable delay to even consider a two-hander (or a big shield).

	===Range===		===Range===

	Melee fighters have a big weakness -- they have to fight in melee. Diverting some experience into ranged weaponry can help even things out. [[Throwing]] is an obvious choice; it doesn't require you to wield another weapon and isn't slowed by heavy armour. Ten (10) skill is useful to get the penetrating [[javelin]]s to 1.0 delay. [[Okawaru]] can supply you with a surplus of throwing weapons, while the [[Shoals]] generates many [[merfolk javelineer]]s to relinquish ammo from.		Melee fighters have a big weakness -- they have to fight in melee. Diverting some experience into ranged weaponry can help even things out. [[Throwing]] is an obvious choice; it doesn't require you to wield another weapon and isn't slowed by heavy armour. Ten (10) skill is useful to get the penetrating [[javelin]]s to 1.0 delay. [[Okawaru]] can supply you with a surplus of throwing weapons, while the [[Shoals]] generates many [[merfolk javelineer]]s to relinquish ammo from.

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	===Defense===		===Defense===
			[[Fighting]] still remains the most important defensive skill. HP is the only defense that can't be ignored, while the actual skill also boosts your combat prowess. Fighting is one of your most important skills, period -- especially once you've finished training up your weapon.

	Fighting still remains the most important defensive skill. HP is the only defense that can't be ignored, while the actual skill also boosts your combat prowess. Fighting is one of your most important skills, period -- especially once you've finished training up your weapon.		Your other defensive skills - [[Armour]], [[Dodging]], and [[Shields]] - are simply less important, but still very useful. Armour should be above 10. Dodging might not be ''very'' useful to someone wearing a sluggish [[plate armour]], but a few levels will be very cheap in comparison to your main skills. Shields, if you are wearing one, is also useful to train. Around 10+ for a [[kite shield]] or 15+ for a [[tower shield]] will suffice.

	Your other defensive skills: Armour, Dodging, and Shields, are simply less important~~. But~~ still very useful. Armour should be above 10. Dodging might not be ''very'' useful to someone wearing a sluggish [[plate armour]], but a few levels will be very cheap in comparison to your main skills. Shields, if you are wearing one, is also useful to train. Around 10+ for a [[kite shield]] or 15+ for a [[tower shield]] will suffice.

	===Spells===		===Spells===

	With such heavy armour, high level spells are simply out of the question. Instead, look at the various utility spells in your arsenal. From [[Translocations]] like [[Blink]], to [[Necromancy]] via [[Animate Dead]], there are plenty of useful non-damaging spells. Getting these spells castable in heavy armour should be a tertiary focus, unless you plan to move to a lighter armour like [[fire dragon scales]].		With such heavy armour, high level spells are simply out of the question. Instead, look at the various utility spells in your arsenal. From [[Translocations]] like [[Blink]], to [[Necromancy]] via [[Animate Dead]], there are plenty of useful non-damaging spells. Getting these spells castable in heavy armour should be a tertiary focus, unless you plan to move to a lighter armour like [[fire dragon scales]].

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	===Weapons===		===Weapons===

	Casters tend to use weapons to clean up lesser foes and deal with resisting enemies. Just as common, especially by the mid-game, is to use no weapon at all! Casters using weapons should not pour lots of experience into their weapon skill.		Casters tend to use weapons to clean up lesser foes and deal with resisting enemies. Just as common, especially by the mid-game, is to use no weapon at all! Casters using weapons should not pour lots of experience into their weapon skill.

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	===Spellcasting===		===Spellcasting===
			[[Spellcasting]] itself is a useful skill, though doesn't have the greatest impact for actually casting spells.
	Spellcasting itself is a useful skill, though doesn't have the greatest impact for actually casting spells.

	If you go into the skills menu ('''m''') and cycle with ('''!'''), you can look at skill costs. Compared to other skills, Spellcasting only improves casting by a rate of 1/4. But if Spellcasting is (less than) 1/4 as expensive as a desired spell school, its worth it.		If you go into the skills menu ('''m''') and cycle with ('''!'''), you can look at skill costs. Compared to other skills, Spellcasting only improves casting by a rate of 1/4. But if Spellcasting is (less than) 1/4 as expensive as a desired spell school, its worth it.

	Characters running out of MP, should, of course, invest a couple more points into this skill. Once you get into level 5-6 spells, you can ~~defintely~~ afford to invest 10+ levels into this skill. The same applies for spell levels; though, make sure you ''really'' need this new spell, and can't just forget something with a [[scroll of amnesia]].		Characters running out of MP, should, of course, invest a couple more points into this skill. Once you get into level 5-6 spells, you can definitely afford to invest 10+ levels into this skill. The same applies for spell levels; though, make sure you ''really'' need this new spell, and can't just forget something with a [[scroll of amnesia]].

	===Spell Schools===		===Spell Schools===
	You want to have your magical "engine" up and running as soon as possible. A reliable, heavily damaging, level 5-6 spell that can power through the Lair branches and Vaults, at the very least. Spells like [[Lee's Rapid Deconstruction]] and [[~~Lightning Bolt~~]] fit the bill; [[~~Iron Shot~~]] and [[Orb of Destruction]] remain effective in the halls of [[Zot]]. Make sure these spells can be cast reliably (<10% failure).		You want to have your magical "engine" up and running as soon as possible. A reliable, heavily damaging, level 5-6 spell that can power through the Lair branches and Vaults, at the very least. Spells like [[Lee's Rapid Deconstruction]] and [[Plasma Beam]] fit the bill; [[Bombard]] and [[Orb of Destruction]] remain effective in the halls of [[Zot]]. Make sure these spells can be cast reliably (<10% failure).

	Unlike melee, [[spellpower]] remains fairly important for keeping spells competitive, so don't neglect to train even further. With a high aptitude (or when worshipping [[Vehumet]]), training even more skill will let you cast even higher level spells.		Unlike melee, [[spellpower]] remains fairly important for keeping spells competitive, so don't neglect to train even further. With a high aptitude (or when worshipping [[Vehumet]]), training even more skill will let you cast even higher level spells.

	===Defense===		===Defense===

	Defense is useful. Getting a nuclear spell up and running is more useful.		Defense is useful. Getting a nuclear spell up and running is more useful.

	Once you get those spells ready, though, even spellcasters should invest in Fighting. This becomes more important after the Lair branches, when you start facing more ranged attacks and conjurations. You can leave Fighting trained the entire game, or just leave it in the upper teens. The same strategem also applies to Dodging, but with less levels - 8-10 will be useful.		Once you get those spells ready, though, even spellcasters should invest in Fighting. This becomes more important after the Lair branches, when you start facing more ranged attacks and conjurations. You can leave Fighting trained the entire game, or just leave it in the upper teens. The same strategem also applies to Dodging, but with less levels - 8-10 will be useful.

	Most players will want a buckler (though most ranged weapons are 2-handed), and thus should choose to put a little (4) skill to offset some of the penalties. Upgrading to a larger shield is ~~defintely~~ possible, though always keep your main spell at a reliable casting rate. Ten (to 15) skill for a kite shield is probably enough; you don't want to put five more levels just to offset 2 EV. Magic training can improve failure rates even with ~~insufficent~~ Shields skill.		Most players will want a [[buckler]] (though most ranged weapons are 2-handed), and thus should choose to put a little (4) skill to offset some of the penalties. Upgrading to a larger shield is definitely possible, though always keep your main spell at a reliable casting rate. Ten (to 15) skill for a kite shield is probably enough; you don't want to put five more levels just to offset 2 EV. Magic training can improve failure rates even with insufficient Shields skill.

	===Auxiliary===		===Auxiliary===
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	[[Evocations]] is less important than with a melee character, though still very helpful for dealing with tough enemies. A few levels is all you need for this task. Plus, a [[magical staff]] or an [[orb]] of [[energy]] both benefit a lot from this skill.		[[Evocations]] is less important than with a melee character, though still very helpful for dealing with tough enemies. A few levels is all you need for this task. Plus, a [[magical staff]] or an [[orb]] of [[energy]] both benefit a lot from this skill.

	For offensive casters, stealth is only marginally useful. Many spells are [[noise\|loud]], for one. And if you can obliterate your enemies from afar, who needs to hide? It's often easy to just run from a scary [[unique]], as long as you have distance. Stealth does little to help your gameplan, though does let you avoid encounters more easily.		For offensive casters, stealth is only marginally useful. Many spells are [[noise\|loud]], for one. And if you can obliterate your enemies from afar, who needs to hide? It's often easy to just run from a scary [[unique]], as long as you have distance. Stealth does little to help your gameplan, though it does let you avoid encounters more easily.

	For Hexers, or species with ~~unusally~~ high Stealth aptitude ([[Naga]], [[Octopode]]...), Stealth is probably worth investing more into. Stealth improves [[stab]] damage. Many weaker species happen to have good stealth, and for them, avoiding ranged enemies is more important.		For Hexers, or species with unusually high Stealth aptitude ([[Naga]], [[Octopode]]...), Stealth is probably worth investing more into. Stealth improves [[stab]] damage. Many weaker species happen to have good stealth, and for them, avoiding ranged enemies is more important.

	==Invocations==		==Invocations==

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	==Armour Focused==		==Armour Focused==
	While nearly all players should consider some spells (barring [[Trog]]-lodytes), melee focused players tend to wear heavier ~~armor~~, and will be stuck to casting low level spells as a result.		While nearly all players should consider some spells (barring [[Trog]]-lodytes), melee focused players tend to wear heavier armour, and will be stuck to casting low level spells as a result.

	===Weapon===		===Weapon===

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	==Range Focused==		==Range Focused==

	Players wearing light armour tend to be using [[ranged weapon]]s or spell-focused.		Players wearing light armour tend to be using [[ranged weapon]]s or are spell-focused.

	===Weapons===		===Weapons===

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	Characters in the midgame will have found a [[god]], but have not ~~obtainined~~ two [[rune]]~~s (from the~~ [[Lair]] branches) yet. From now on, your skills no longer reflect your background, but rather reflect your general strategy, species, and god choice.		Characters in the midgame will have found a [[god]], but have not entered the two [[rune]]-containing [[Lair]] branches yet. From now on, your skills no longer reflect your background, but rather reflect your general strategy, species, and god choice.

	==Armour Focused==		==Armour Focused==
	While nearly all players should consider some spells (barring [[Trog]]-lodytes), melee focused players tend to wear heavier armor, and will be stuck to casting low level spells as a result~~. Ranged characters, without an explict need to go light, will often go heavy too~~.		While nearly all players should consider some spells (barring [[Trog]]-lodytes), melee focused players tend to wear heavier armor, and will be stuck to casting low level spells as a result.

	===Weapon===		===Weapon===
			Your weapon school should still be, by far, your most important skill. As stated in the early-game section, your goal is to reach minimum delay for your [[weapon]]. Viewable by selecting the weapon in the '''i'''nventory, the minimum delay is 0.5 to 0.7 auts, taking between 8 to 24 levels. Raising your weapon skill beyond mindelay will still raise damage and accuracy, though it will no longer increases swing speed. Its unlikely for you to reach it in a timely manner for especially big weapons, such as giant clubs or triple swords, but you should keep training.
	Your weapon school should still be, by far, your most important skill. As stated in the early-game section, your goal is to reach minimum delay for your [[weapon]]. Viewable by selecting the weapon in the '''i'''nventory, the minimum delay is 0.5 to 0.7 auts, taking between 8 to 24 levels. Raising your weapon skill beyond mindelay will still raise damage and accuracy, though it will no longer increases swing speed. Its unlikely for you to reach it in a timely manner for especially big weapons, such as giant clubs or ~~longbows~~, but you should keep training.

	Warriors need to make a choice: how many hands will you dedicate? Two-handed weapons deal more damage... but take more investment and restrict your shield slot. Of course, you still need a reasonable delay to even consider a two-hander (or a big shield).		Warriors need to make a choice: how many hands will you dedicate? Two-handed weapons deal more damage... but take more investment and restrict your shield slot. Of course, you still need a reasonable delay to even consider a two-hander (or a big shield).
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	===Range===		===Range===

	Melee fighters have a big weakness -- they have to fight in melee. Diverting some experience into ranged weaponry can help even things out. [[Throwing]] is an obvious choice; it doesn't require you to wield another weapon. Ten (10) skill is useful to get the penetrating [[javelin]]s to 1.0 delay. [[Okawaru]] can supply you with a surplus of throwing weapons, while the [[Shoals]] generates many [[merfolk javelineer]]s to relinquish ammo from.		Melee fighters have a big weakness -- they have to fight in melee. Diverting some experience into ranged weaponry can help even things out. [[Throwing]] is an obvious choice; it doesn't require you to wield another weapon and isn't slowed by heavy armour. Ten (10) skill is useful to get the penetrating [[javelin]]s to 1.0 delay. [[Okawaru]] can supply you with a surplus of throwing weapons, while the [[Shoals]] generates many [[merfolk javelineer]]s to relinquish ammo from.

	[[Evocations]] is an interesting skill to train. Ranged attacks are best for enemies that are sketchy to fight honourably; and are what [[wand]]s are best for. Even a [[wand of polymorph]] can neuter that scary [[orc warlord]] or [[unique]]! Anywhere from 5-12 skill into Evocations is often viable, especially if you generate the [[Swamp]].		[[Evocations]] is an interesting skill to train. Ranged attacks are best for enemies that are sketchy to fight honourably; and are what [[wand]]s are best for. Even a [[wand of polymorph]] can neuter that scary [[orc warlord]] or [[unique]]! Anywhere from 5-12 skill into Evocations is often viable, especially if you generate the [[Swamp]].

	Ranged weapons, [[bow]]s and [[crossbow]]s, fundamentally skill just like melee. Get to your mindelay, though since you have range, reaching 1.0 delay isn't as big as a factor. However, [[bolt]]s might be on low supply, so crossbow users should plan for an alternate means of killing. And unless you've found a great [[artefact]] or worship [[Okawaru]], dedicating much more to [[Slings]] is not recommended; [[fustibali]] are frustratingly rare.

	===Defense===		===Defense===
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	With such heavy armour, high level spells are simply out of the question. Instead, look at the various utility spells in your arsenal. From [[Translocations]] like [[Blink]], to [[Necromancy]] via [[Animate Dead]], there are plenty of useful non-damaging spells. Getting these spells castable in heavy armour should be a tertiary focus, unless you plan to move to a lighter armour like [[fire dragon scales]].		With such heavy armour, high level spells are simply out of the question. Instead, look at the various utility spells in your arsenal. From [[Translocations]] like [[Blink]], to [[Necromancy]] via [[Animate Dead]], there are plenty of useful non-damaging spells. Getting these spells castable in heavy armour should be a tertiary focus, unless you plan to move to a lighter armour like [[fire dragon scales]].

	==~~Spell~~ Focused==		==Range Focused==

	Players wearing light armour tend to be spell-focused.		Players wearing light armour tend to be using [[ranged weapon]]s or spell-focused.

	===Weapons===		===Weapons===
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	Hexers also want some [[Short Blades]] skill in order to improve their [[stab]]bing. Mindelay (10-14 skill) is enough.		Hexers also want some [[Short Blades]] skill in order to improve their [[stab]]bing. Mindelay (10-14 skill) is enough.

			Ranged weapons fundamentally skill just like melee. Get to your mindelay, though since you have range, reaching 1.0 delay isn't as big as a factor.

	===Spellcasting===		===Spellcasting===

	Spellcasting is a useful skill, though doesn't have the greatest impact for actually casting spells.		Spellcasting itself is a useful skill, though doesn't have the greatest impact for actually casting spells.

	If you go into the skills menu ('''m''') and cycle with ('''!'''), you can look at skill costs. Compared to other skills, Spellcasting only improves casting by a rate of 1/4. But if Spellcasting is (less than) 1/4 as expensive as a desired spell school, its worth it.		If you go into the skills menu ('''m''') and cycle with ('''!'''), you can look at skill costs. Compared to other skills, Spellcasting only improves casting by a rate of 1/4. But if Spellcasting is (less than) 1/4 as expensive as a desired spell school, its worth it.
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	===Spell Schools===		===Spell Schools===
	You want to have your ~~spellcasting~~ "engine" up and running as soon as possible. A reliable, heavily damaging, level 5-6 spell that can power through the Lair branches and Vaults, at the very least. Spells like [[Lee's Rapid Deconstruction]] and [[Lightning Bolt]] fit the bill; [[Iron Shot]] and [[Orb of Destruction]] remain effective in the halls of [[Zot]]. Make sure these spells can be cast reliably (<10% failure).		You want to have your magical "engine" up and running as soon as possible. A reliable, heavily damaging, level 5-6 spell that can power through the Lair branches and Vaults, at the very least. Spells like [[Lee's Rapid Deconstruction]] and [[Lightning Bolt]] fit the bill; [[Iron Shot]] and [[Orb of Destruction]] remain effective in the halls of [[Zot]]. Make sure these spells can be cast reliably (<10% failure).

	Unlike melee, [[spellpower]] remains fairly important for keeping spells competitive, so don't neglect to train even further. With a high aptitude (or when worshipping [[Vehumet]]), training even more skill will let you cast even higher level spells.		Unlike melee, [[spellpower]] remains fairly important for keeping spells competitive, so don't neglect to train even further. With a high aptitude (or when worshipping [[Vehumet]]), training even more skill will let you cast even higher level spells.
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	Once you get those spells ready, though, even spellcasters should invest in Fighting. This becomes more important after the Lair branches, when you start facing more ranged attacks and conjurations. You can leave Fighting trained the entire game, or just leave it in the upper teens. The same strategem also applies to Dodging, but with less levels - 8-10 will be useful.		Once you get those spells ready, though, even spellcasters should invest in Fighting. This becomes more important after the Lair branches, when you start facing more ranged attacks and conjurations. You can leave Fighting trained the entire game, or just leave it in the upper teens. The same strategem also applies to Dodging, but with less levels - 8-10 will be useful.

	Most players will want a buckler, and thus should choose to put a little (4) skill to offset some of the penalties. Upgrading to a larger shield is defintely possible, though always keep your main spell at a reliable casting rate. Ten (to 15) skill for a kite shield is probably enough; you don't want to put five more levels just to offset 2 EV. Magic training can improve failure rates even with insufficent Shields skill.		Most players will want a buckler (though most ranged weapons are 2-handed), and thus should choose to put a little (4) skill to offset some of the penalties. Upgrading to a larger shield is defintely possible, though always keep your main spell at a reliable casting rate. Ten (to 15) skill for a kite shield is probably enough; you don't want to put five more levels just to offset 2 EV. Magic training can improve failure rates even with insufficent Shields skill.

	===Auxiliary===		===Auxiliary===

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	*Gods like [[Okawaru]] and [[Cheibriados]] do rely on Invocations, but more so to cast high-level abilities (Finesse / Duel and Slouch / Step from Time, respectively) than to boost damaging power. Get those abilities up and running in a timely manner, then don't worry about it. When training Invo, treat it like an auxiliary skill.		*Gods like [[Okawaru]] and [[Cheibriados]] do rely on Invocations, but more so to cast high-level abilities (Finesse / Duel and Slouch / Step from Time, respectively) than to boost damaging power. Get those abilities up and running in a timely manner, then don't worry about it. When training Invo, treat it like an auxiliary skill.
	*Finally, gods like [[Trog]], [[Vehumet]], and [[Gozag]] don't care about your Invocations. Just keep on working on your melee, magic, or greed, respectively.		*Finally, gods like [[Trog]], [[Vehumet]], and [[Gozag]] don't care about your Invocations. Just keep on working on your melee, magic, or greed, respectively.

			==Footnote==
			From the midgame onwards, exact skilling thresholds start to matter a lot less. It's ok to train many different skills at once, as long as you'd benefit in some way.

			{{Guides}}

	[[Category:Strategy Guides]]		[[Category:Strategy Guides]]

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Range

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	===Range===		===Range===

	Melee fighters have a big weakness -- they have to fight in melee. Diverting some experience into ranged weaponry can help even things out. [[Throwing]] is an obvious choice; it doesn't require you to wield another weapon. Ten (10) skill is useful to get the penetrating [[javelin]]s to 1.0 delay. [[Okawaru]] ~~will~~ supply you with a surplus of throwing weapons, while the [[Shoals]] generates many [[merfolk javelineer]]s to relinquish ammo from.		Melee fighters have a big weakness -- they have to fight in melee. Diverting some experience into ranged weaponry can help even things out. [[Throwing]] is an obvious choice; it doesn't require you to wield another weapon. Ten (10) skill is useful to get the penetrating [[javelin]]s to 1.0 delay. [[Okawaru]] can supply you with a surplus of throwing weapons, while the [[Shoals]] generates many [[merfolk javelineer]]s to relinquish ammo from.

	[[Evocations]] is an interesting skill to train. Ranged attacks are best for enemies that are sketchy to fight honourably; ~~these~~ are what [[wand]]s are for. Even a [[wand of polymorph]] can neuter that scary [[orc warlord]] or [[unique]]! Anywhere from 5-12 skill into Evocations is often viable, especially if you generate the [[Swamp]].		[[Evocations]] is an interesting skill to train. Ranged attacks are best for enemies that are sketchy to fight honourably; and are what [[wand]]s are best for. Even a [[wand of polymorph]] can neuter that scary [[orc warlord]] or [[unique]]! Anywhere from 5-12 skill into Evocations is often viable, especially if you generate the [[Swamp]].

	Ranged weapons, [[bow]]s and [[crossbow]]s, fundamentally skill just like melee. Get to your mindelay, though since you have range, reaching 1.0 delay isn't as big as a factor. However, [[bolt]]s might be on low supply, so crossbow users should plan for an alternate means of killing. And unless you've found a great [[artefact]] or worship [[Okawaru]], dedicating much more to [[Slings]] is not recommended; [[fustibali]] are frustratingly rare.		Ranged weapons, [[bow]]s and [[crossbow]]s, fundamentally skill just like melee. Get to your mindelay, though since you have range, reaching 1.0 delay isn't as big as a factor. However, [[bolt]]s might be on low supply, so crossbow users should plan for an alternate means of killing. And unless you've found a great [[artefact]] or worship [[Okawaru]], dedicating much more to [[Slings]] is not recommended; [[fustibali]] are frustratingly rare.

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Weapons

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	===Weapons===		===Weapons===

	Casters tend to use weapons to clean up lesser foes and deal with resisting enemies. Just as common, especially by the mid-game, is to use no weapon at all! Casters using weapons should not pour lots of experience into their weapon skill. However, one nice application is to invest in 12 [[Staves]] skill to get a matching [[magical staff]] up to mindelay. These deal respectable damage, with their damage scaling off your magic. Needless to say, don't do this if you're struggling with spells or defense.		Casters tend to use weapons to clean up lesser foes and deal with resisting enemies. Just as common, especially by the mid-game, is to use no weapon at all! Casters using weapons should not pour lots of experience into their weapon skill.

	Hexers also want some [[Short Blades]] skill in order to improve their [[stab]]~~ing~~. Mindelay (10 skill) is enough.		However, one nice application is to invest in 12 [[Staves]] skill to get a matching [[magical staff]] up to mindelay. These deal respectable damage, with their damage scaling off your magic. Needless to say, don't do this if you're struggling at all with spells or defense.

			Hexers also want some [[Short Blades]] skill in order to improve their [[stab]]bing. Mindelay (10-14 skill) is enough.

	===Spellcasting===		===Spellcasting===

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Auxiliary

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	[[Evocations]] is less important than with a melee character, though still very helpful for dealing with tough enemies. A few levels is all you need for this task. Plus, a [[magical staff]] or an [[orb]] of [[energy]] both benefit a lot from this skill.		[[Evocations]] is less important than with a melee character, though still very helpful for dealing with tough enemies. A few levels is all you need for this task. Plus, a [[magical staff]] or an [[orb]] of [[energy]] both benefit a lot from this skill.

	~~Stealth~~ is only marginally useful. Many spells are [[noise\|loud]], for one. And if you can obliterate your enemies from afar, who needs to hide? It's often easy to just run from a scary [[unique]], as long as you have distance. ~~Unless you're relying on Hexes, stealth~~ does little to help your gameplan. For ~~hexers~~, or species with unusally high Stealth aptitude ([[Naga]], [[Octopode]]...), ~~it might be~~ worth investing more into.		For offensive casters, stealth is only marginally useful. Many spells are [[noise\|loud]], for one. And if you can obliterate your enemies from afar, who needs to hide? It's often easy to just run from a scary [[unique]], as long as you have distance. Stealth does little to help your gameplan, though does let you avoid encounters more easily.

			For Hexers, or species with unusally high Stealth aptitude ([[Naga]], [[Octopode]]...), Stealth is probably worth investing more into. Stealth improves [[stab]] damage. Many weaker species happen to have good stealth, and for them, avoiding ranged enemies is more important.

	==Invocations==		==Invocations==