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	Note, again, that this is '''only the impact on Dodging bonus'''~~. Remember that there is ''another''~~ EV penalty on top ~~of this~~. Overall, every point of strength will give less EV than the previous point of strength. (Of course, you should still have high strength if you plan to wear heavy armour).		Note, again, that this is '''only the impact on Dodging bonus''', and not the general EV penalty on top. Overall, every point of strength will give less EV than the previous point of strength. (Of course, you should still have high strength if you plan to wear heavy armour).

	===On Spellcasting===		===On Spellcasting===
			When looking exclusively at spell failure rate, without considering the benefits of more AC/EV or spellpower:

	====Armour skill vs Spell skill====		====Armour skill vs Spell skill====
	Encumbrance increases SpellFailure by <code>19/225 encumbrance^2 * (90 - 2armour) / (str+3)</code>. This can be rearranged to <code>-armour * 38/225 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>.		Encumbrance increases SpellFailure by <code>19/225 encumbrance^2 * (90 - 2armour) / (str+3)</code>. This can be rearranged to <code>-armour * 38/225 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>.
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	For example, if you have 11 strength and [[fire dragon scales]], 1 Armour skill = <code>1/71 * 11^2 / 14</code> = 0.122 levels in each spell school. This is a ratio of 8.21 Armour skill : 1 in each spell school. If you have a dual-school spell, like [[Iron Shot]], 4.1 Armour skill = 1 Earth Magic OR 1 Conjurations, while 8.21 Armour = 1 Earth AND Conjurations.		For example, if you have 11 strength and [[fire dragon scales]], 1 Armour skill = <code>1/71 * 11^2 / 14</code> = 0.122 levels in each spell school. This is a ratio of 8.21 Armour skill : 1 in each spell school. If you have a dual-school spell, like [[Iron Shot]], 4.1 Armour skill = 1 Earth Magic OR 1 Conjurations, while 8.21 Armour = 1 Earth AND Conjurations.

	~~Of course, this analysis does '''NOT''' include the fact that Armour increases your [[AC]] and [[EV]]. You may want to train Armour for those reasons, or train spell schools to increase power.~~

	====Strength vs Intelligence====		====Strength vs Intelligence====
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	*Intelligence reduces SpellFailure by 2 per point.		*Intelligence reduces SpellFailure by 2 per point.

	For example, you have 11 strength, fire dragon scales, and 0 Armour skill. On level up, you have a choice of 2 str or 2 int. The impact of +2 str is equal to <code>(1/14 - 1/16) * 19/225 * 11^2 * 90</code> = 8.21 SpellFailure, greater than 2*2 = 4 SpellFailure from intelligence.		For example, you have 11 strength, fire dragon scales, and 0 Armour skill. On level up, you have a choice of 2 str or 2 int. The impact of +2 str is equal to <code>(1/14 - 1/16) * 19/225 * 11^2 * 90</code> = 8.21 SpellFailure, greater than 2*2 = 4 SpellFailure from intelligence.

	~~Of course, intelligence also increases [[spell power]], while strength also reduces [[shield]] encumbrance~~.

	==Spreadsheet==		==Spreadsheet==

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	====Armour skill vs Spell skill====		====Armour skill vs Spell skill====
	Encumbrance increases SpellFailure by <code>19/225 encumbrance^2 * (90 - 2armour) / (str+3)</code>. This can be rearranged to <code>-armour * 38/225 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>.		Encumbrance increases SpellFailure by <code>19/225 encumbrance^2 * (90 - 2armour) / (str+3)</code>. This can be rearranged to <code>-armour * 38/225 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>.
	*Having 1 of every spell school (except Spellcasting) reduces SpellFailure by 12~~. Divide by number of spell schools if needed~~.		*Having 1 of every spell school (except Spellcasting) reduces SpellFailure by 12.
	Therefore, each level in Armour is worth <code>19/1350 encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, or roughly <code>1/71 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, levels in each spell school.		Therefore, each level in Armour is worth <code>19/1350 encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, or roughly <code>1/71 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, levels in each spell school.

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	==Base Penalty==		==Base Penalty==
	Body armour has a "base" penalty of:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|~~5723~~}}</ref>		Body armour has a "base" penalty of:<ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|player.cc\|5892}}</ref>

	[[File:Base AEVP.png\|716px]]		[[File:Base AEVP.png\|716px]]

	Where:		Where:
	* "S" = scale. Scale essentially equals to 1 (100/100), meaning it has no impact the final result. It is used to increase the precision of encumbrance calculations.		*"S" = scale. Scale essentially equals to 1 (100/100), meaning it has no impact the final result. It is used to increase the precision of encumbrance calculations.
	* "armour" = [[Armour skill]] and "str" = [[strength]].		*"armour" = [[Armour skill]] and "str" = [[strength]].

	This equation can be simplified into the following form:		This equation can be simplified into the following form:
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	===EV Penalty===		===EV Penalty===
	Encumbrance will lower your EV by:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|~~5718~~}}</ref>		Encumbrance will lower your EV by:<ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|player.cc\|5887}}</ref>

	[[File:Simplified_AEVP_EV.png\|771px]]		[[File:Simplified_AEVP_EV.png\|771px]]
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	For '''Dodging Bonus''' = <code>(8 + 0.8 × Dodging × Dex) / (20 - size_factor)</code>. See [[Evasion]] for more detail.		For '''Dodging Bonus''' = <code>(8 + 0.8 × Dodging × Dex) / (20 - size_factor)</code>. See [[Evasion]] for more detail.

	This Dodging Bonus is then multiplied by a modifier:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|~~2082~~}}</ref>		This Dodging Bonus is then multiplied by a modifier:<ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|player.cc\|2122}}</ref>

	[[File:Dodging pen1.png\|350px]]		[[File:Dodging pen1.png\|350px]]
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	==Spellcasting Penalty==		==Spellcasting Penalty==
	Encumbrance increases "spellFailure", which is not to be confused with your chance of actually failing a spell:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|~~2126~~}}</ref><ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|spl-cast.cc\|~~416~~}}</ref>		Encumbrance increases "spellFailure", which is not to be confused with your chance of actually failing a spell:<ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|player.cc\|2166}}</ref><ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|spl-cast.cc\|410}}</ref>

	[[File:Simplified AEVP spell.png\|660px]]		[[File:Simplified AEVP spell.png\|660px]]
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	As a reference:		As a reference:

	* 1 [[intelligence]] = -2 spellFailure		*1 [[intelligence]] = -2 spellFailure
	* 1 [[Spellcasting]] skill = -3 spellFailure		*1 [[Spellcasting]] skill = -3 spellFailure
	* 1 (Spell School) skill = -12 spellFailure, divided by the number of schools of a spell		*1 (Spell School) skill = -12 spellFailure, divided by the number of schools of a spell

	"SpellFailure" is then transformed multiple times to determine your actual chance of failure. See [[spell success]] for details.		"SpellFailure" is then transformed multiple times to determine your actual chance of failure. See [[spell success]] for details.

	==Stealth Penalty==		==Stealth Penalty==
	Encumbrance reduces your [[stealth]] score:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|~~3075~~}}</ref>		Encumbrance reduces your [[stealth]] score:<ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|player.cc\|3112}}</ref>

	[[File:StealthPenalty.gif]]		[[File:StealthPenalty.gif]]
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	==Ranged Weapon Penalty==		==Ranged Weapon Penalty==
	Encumbrance slows down [[Ranged Weapons]] (but not [[Throwing]] weapons). It increases the [[attack delay]] of these weapons, in units of [[decaAut]]:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player-act.cc\|~~354~~}}</ref>		Encumbrance slows down [[Ranged Weapons]] (but not [[Throwing]] weapons). It increases the [[attack delay]] of these weapons, in units of [[decaAut]]:<ref>{{source ref\|0.31.0\|player-act.cc\|360}}</ref>

	[[File:AdjustedRangedPenalty.png\|610px]]		[[File:AdjustedRangedPenalty.png\|610px]]
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	In general:		In general:

	* Armour skill has a linear impact on encumbrance. Every point in Armour reduces encumbrance by -2.2%.		*Armour skill has a linear impact on encumbrance. Every point in Armour reduces encumbrance by -2.2%.
	* Strength has a logarithmic impact - i.e. a diminishing return - on encumbrance. For everything except the Dodging penalty, going from 7 -> 17 strength will give the same % reduction as 2 -> 7 strength, which has the same reduction as 17 -> 37 strength.		*Strength has a logarithmic impact - i.e. a diminishing return - on encumbrance. For everything except the Dodging penalty, going from 7 -> 17 strength will give the same % reduction as 2 -> 7 strength, which has the same reduction as 17 -> 37 strength.

	===On Evasion===		===On Evasion===

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	''For shield encumbrance, see [[Shields]]. Not to be confused with [[encumbered\|encumbrance]] from inventory [[aum\|weight]], an obsolete mechanic.''		''For shield encumbrance, see [[Shields]]. Not to be confused with [[encumbered\|encumbrance]] from inventory [[aum\|weight]], an obsolete mechanic.''

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	This page exclusively covers body armour. Certain other armours may "encumber" you, but use different mechanics.		This page exclusively covers body armour. Certain other armours may "encumber" you, but use different mechanics.
	* [[Barding]]s have a -2 [[EV]] penalty. This does not penalize casting, stealth, etc., and cannot be reduced by strength / armour skill.		*[[Barding]]s have a -2 [[EV]] penalty. This does not penalize casting, stealth, etc., and cannot be reduced by strength / armour skill.
	* [[Shields]] also have an encumbrance rating, but it's handled entirely differently. See [[Shields#Shield Penalties\|Shields]] for more details.		*[[Shields]] also have an encumbrance rating, but it's handled entirely differently. See [[Shields#Shield Penalties\|Shields]] for more details.

	See the [[Armour#Tables of Armours\|Table of Armours]] for numerical details on all items with encumbrance ratings.		See the [[Armour#Tables of Armours\|Table of Armours]] for numerical details on all items with encumbrance ratings.

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	Therefore, each level in Armour is worth <code>19/1350 encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, or roughly <code>1/71 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, levels in each spell school.		Therefore, each level in Armour is worth <code>19/1350 encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, or roughly <code>1/71 * encumbrance^2 / (str+3)</code>, levels in each spell school.

	For example, if you have 11 strength and [[fire dragon scales]], <code>1/71 * 11^2 / 14</code> = 0.122. ~~That's~~ a ratio of 8.21 Armour skill : 1 in each spell school. If you have a dual-school spell, like [[Iron Shot]], 4.1 Armour skill = 1 Earth Magic OR 1 Conjurations, while 8.21 Armour = 1 Earth AND Conjurations.		For example, if you have 11 strength and [[fire dragon scales]], 1 Armour skill = <code>1/71 * 11^2 / 14</code> = 0.122 levels in each spell school. This is a ratio of 8.21 Armour skill : 1 in each spell school. If you have a dual-school spell, like [[Iron Shot]], 4.1 Armour skill = 1 Earth Magic OR 1 Conjurations, while 8.21 Armour = 1 Earth AND Conjurations.

	Of course, this analysis does '''NOT''' include the fact that Armour increases your [[AC]] and [[EV]]. You may want to train Armour for those reasons, or train spell schools to increase power.		Of course, this analysis does '''NOT''' include the fact that Armour increases your [[AC]] and [[EV]]. You may want to train Armour for those reasons, or train spell schools to increase power.

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	* Armour skill has a linear impact on encumbrance. Every point in Armour reduces encumbrance by -2.2%.		* Armour skill has a linear impact on encumbrance. Every point in Armour reduces encumbrance by -2.2%.
	* Strength has a logarithmic impact on encumbrance. ~~Going~~ from 7 -> 17 strength will give the same % reduction as 2 -> 7 strength, which has the same reduction as 17 -> 37 strength~~. This results in strength having a diminishing return~~.		* Strength has a logarithmic impact - i.e. a diminishing return - on encumbrance. For everything except the Dodging penalty, going from 7 -> 17 strength will give the same % reduction as 2 -> 7 strength, which has the same reduction as 17 -> 37 strength.

	===On Evasion===		===On Evasion===

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	For '''Dodging Bonus''' = <code>(8 + 0.8 × Dodging × Dex) / (20 - size_factor)</code>. See [[Evasion]] for more detail.		For '''Dodging Bonus''' = <code>(8 + 0.8 × Dodging × Dex) / (20 - size_factor)</code>. See [[Evasion]] for more detail.

	This Dodging Bonus is then multiplied by a modifier.<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|2082}}</ref>		This Dodging Bonus is then multiplied by a modifier:<ref>{{source ref\|0.30.0\|player.cc\|2082}}</ref>

	* '''If (encumbrance - 3) ≥ strength:'''		[[File:Dodging pen1.png\|350px]]
	[[File:Dodging pen1.png\|~~150px]]~~

	* '''If (encumbrance - 3) < strength:'''
	~~[[File:Dodging pen2.png\|150px~~]]

	For e = encumbrance. If (e-3) is 0 or lower, then there's no penalty to Dodging.		For e = encumbrance. If (e-3) is 0 or lower, then there's no penalty to Dodging.

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	An '''encumbrance rating''' is a penalty applied to [[body armour]]. The heavier your armour, the higher the encumbrance rating. The higher the encumbrance, the higher the penalty is to [[ev]]asion, [[spell failure\|spellcasting]], [[stealth]], and [[ranged weapon]]s. Encumbrance can be mitigated, but not removed, by [[strength]] and [[Armour skill]].		An '''encumbrance rating''' is a penalty applied to [[body armour]]. The heavier your armour, the higher the encumbrance rating. The higher the encumbrance, the higher the penalty is to [[ev]]asion, [[spell failure\|spellcasting]], [[stealth]], and [[ranged weapon]]s. Encumbrance can be mitigated, but not removed, by [[strength]] and [[Armour skill]].

	~~Encumbrance rating is exclusive to~~ body armour. Certain other armours may "encumber" you, but use different mechanics.		This page exclusively covers body armour. Certain other armours may "encumber" you, but use different mechanics.
	* [[Barding]]s have a -2 [[EV]] penalty. This does not penalize casting, stealth, etc., and cannot be reduced by strength / armour skill.		* [[Barding]]s have a -2 [[EV]] penalty. This does not penalize casting, stealth, etc., and cannot be reduced by strength / armour skill.
	* [[Shields]] also have an encumbrance, but it's handled entirely differently. See [[Shields#Shield Penalties\|Shields]] for more details.		* [[Shields]] also have an encumbrance rating, but it's handled entirely differently. See [[Shields#Shield Penalties\|Shields]] for more details.

	See the [[Armour#Tables of Armours\|Table of Armours]] for numerical details on all items with encumbrance ratings.		See the [[Armour#Tables of Armours\|Table of Armours]] for numerical details on all items with encumbrance ratings.